Agenda and minutes

Conservation Advisory Group
Tuesday, 1st October, 2019 7.00 pm

Venue: Conference Room, Civic Centre, Silver Street, Enfield, EN1 3XA. View directions

Contact: Andy Higham 

Items
No. Item

1.

APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE (if any)

Minutes:

Apologies for absence were received from Councillor Anne Brown and from P Fisk (Forty Hill and Bulls Cross Study Group), W Brown (Enfield Town Conservation Area Study Group), A. Bishop-Laggett (Federation of Enfield Residents and Allied Associations), A Newman (Clay Hill Study Group),R Wilson (Hadley Wood Conservation Area Study Group), Christine White (Heritage and Urban Design Manager).

 

D Holmes was standing in for W Brown. 

CAG wished to pass on their good wishes to P Fisk.  

 

2.

DECLARATION OF INTERESTS

Membersof the ConservationAdvisory Groupare invitedto identify any disclosablepecuniary,other pecuniaryor non-pecuniaryinterests relevantto itemson theagenda.

Minutes:

There were no declarations of interest.

3.

MINUTES pdf icon PDF 119 KB

To confirm the Minutes of the Conservation Advisory Group that took place on Tuesday 3rd September 2019.

Minutes:

The minutes of the meeting held on 3 September 2019 were agreed subject to the following amendment;

 

Amendment re Item 8

to read as follows- regarding the application for 105 to 109 Chase Side which had been considered at the 27 August 2019 Planning Committee and had been approved.  CAG expressed concern about the disappearance of the building at the front of the development which had had Crittall windows.  Planning Enforcement would be asked to look into the matter.

 

Matters Arising -

  • Changes to the Mansion House – Whilst CAG were generally supportive of the proposals to keep the ceilings in place and lift the roof – they requested more information to ensure ceilings are protected.
  • Bridge House, Forty Hill. – Concern was expressed at the last meeting about the disappearance of the brick sample panel. D. Stacey visited the site with A Newman who were now satisfied that the brick panel had been rebuilt.
  • Chase Side Medical centre – Assurances had been received that this would be rebuilt in a 1930’s/ 1940’s format.

·         103 Chase Side – conversion of barns. This subject was discussed later in the meeting under item 9.

4.

HERITAGE BRIEFING

To be circulated separately.

Minutes:

Christine White, Heritage and Urban Design Manager was not in attendance. She had notified CAG that there was nothing to add to the Heritage Briefing that had been provided at the last meeting.

5.

TO RECEIVE A PRESENTATION FROM ANDREW PORTER OF ASHTON PORTER ARCHITECTS ON PROPOSALS FOR THE CHURCH HILL SITE, WINCHMORE HILL

Minutes:

Andrew Porter of Ashton Porter Architects presented proposals for the Church Hill site.

  • In the last five years there have been a, number of occasions when proposals for this site had been received, however, none have so far been agreed.
  • This is a contemporary design and the architect has presented other projects in the borough which have been accepted and these developments are on-going
  • The existing cottages adjacent to the proposal have a clapboard finish and are positioned stepping downhill. The brief was to ensure the ‘stepping downhill’ is maintained and that the bulk and mass does not compete with existing cottages.
  • The proposal maintains the façade line and works with a staggered roof profile.  Timber cladding would be used although this would be black rather than the white of existing cottages.  There would be no gutters shown as these would be hidden by the cladding.  Openness is preserved between the buildings and all structures are to be of timber.

 

Comments from CAG members

1.    In general CAG members were happy with the design, the proportion, and the irregularity of the ridge line and it was thought it would have a contemporary feel.

2.    The hard- standing area should be softened as this is a green area.  It was confirmed that the front gardens are grassed.

3.    All windows are sashes designed to go in front of the frame, they would open outwards. Each bedroom would have two windows. In answer to a query regarding the use of ‘aluminium windows’ It was stated that windows would be a combination of timber frame and powder coated aluminium to look like painted windows

4.    The irregularity of building lines does create interest. There is no need for a chimney to be shown as this would be superfluous.

5.    Concerns were expressed about the possibility, in future, of a change in the development from that shown (as a result of a sale of the site). The architect was requested to impress on his client that CAG favourable consideration of the proposal was based on Ashton Porter remaining as the architect. This applies to both the application process and the architectural management during construction.  It would be necessary to ensure that the project delivered is the same as that presented by the architect.  The plans would need to be finely tuned and details clearly specified. Clear conditions for approval would be needed together with the removal of permitted development rights.

 

AGREED: CAG were happy with the principles of the new design but wanted clear details specified in the conditions for approval and removal of permitted development rights.

6.

PLANNING APPLICATIONS AND LISTED BUILDING APPLICATIONS FOR DISCUSSION pdf icon PDF 5 MB

Attachment B.

Minutes:

 

  1. Clarendon Cottage, 17 Gentleman’s Row, Enfield EN2 6PT (REF: 19/02293/FUL and 19/02294/LBC)

 

The application proposed significant alterations to this grade 2 listed 16th century building with 17th and 18th century extensions. At the July meeting of CAG it was decided that there was a lack of clarity regarding NPPF (paragraph 189) policy and asked for further clarity and suggested that the applicant should contact the Charles Lamb Society for their information.

 

A photographic survey and colour coded plans were presented. The development is to the rear of the property.

Concerns had been expressed from LAMAS and the Enfield Society regarding the materials for the stable door and windows.  LAMAS had also spoken of concerns about the removal of a chimney breast however, it was acknowledged that the chimney breast was a later addition. The Charles Lamb Society had been contacted and had no comments regarding proposal.

 

AGREED CAG objected to the proposals on the grounds that the fenestration is not supported but that CAG is happy for the application to be determined under delegated powers.

 

 

  1. Public House 15 Horseshoe Lane Enfield EN2 6PZ (REF: 19/02539/LBC)

 

The application proposes changes including refurbishment works and removal of internal entrance lobby and new patio.

 

AGREED CAG objected to the application because it was difficult to determine what was proposed from the plans. The proposal lacked the clarity required (as a Grade 2 listed property) under NPPF 189.

Whilst they appreciated that refurbishment works were necessary, further details/ photos were requested including justification for the removal of the lobby and details relating to the materials to be used for patio area.

 

  1. 47A Chase Side Enfield EN2 6NB (REF: 19/02972/HOU)

 

The application proposes significant changes to a converted industrial building that had been converted to a residential use (single dwelling) in 2000. A previous application for changes was granted with conditions in 2015 but not acted upon.

 

AGREED CAG objected to the application proposed as this was considered over development on a small site. Although the flank wall was not visible from Chase Side the proposed roof line was not in keeping with nearby buildings. The proposal would allow small gardens on River View to be overlooked.

 

  1. 15 Church Street Enfield EN2 6AF (REF: 19/03104/FUL)

 

This application proposes the change of use of the first floor to residential use and the creation of a second floor to provide residential units.

 

AGREED: CAG objected to the application because it would involve the building of an additional floor with a flat roof and would not enhance the conservation area. They suggested that a more traditional roof in keeping with adjacent buildings should be considered.  (It was noted that this could follow a similar design to that for Bees Chemist in Fore Street).

For any future applications, CAG would like to see more details and plans showing the rear of the development.

 

  1. Land Between 8 and 10 Little Park Gardens Enfield EN2 6PQ (REF: 19/03029/FUL)

 

The application proposal is for the subdivision of site  ...  view the full minutes text for item 6.

7.

CHAIR'S FEEDBACK FROM PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING

Minutes:

There was nothing to report from the Planning committee meeting of the 17 September 2019.

8.

CONSERVATION OFFICER'S UPDATES AT CASES DISCUSSED AT PREVIOUS CAG MEETING pdf icon PDF 126 KB

Attachment C.

Minutes:

Received and noted the Conservation Officer’s update on items discussed at recent Conservation Advisory Group meetings.

 

Site: Southgate Office Village, 286 Chase Road, N14 6HF (REF: 19/01941/FUL)

Amendments are proposed to address height issues:

  • Reduction of around 4m to tallest element – applicants state this will render the tallest element invisible from Grovelands Park

 

Site: 2 A Lion Road, London, N9 9DW (REF: 19/01944/FUL)

Application in progress

 

Site: Car Park, Tudor Way, London N14 6PS (REF: 19/01779/FUL)

Application in progress

 

9.

CONSERVATION AREAS, LISTED BUILDING APPLICATIONS AND APPEALS- DETERMINED pdf icon PDF 318 KB

Attachment D.

Minutes:

Received and noted the list of conservation area and listed building applications determined from 21 August 2019 to 20 September 2019.

 

CAG noted the need for planning enforcement to look at ‘Go Ape’ sign for Trent Park, from Lime Avenue.

 

Members spoke of damage incurred at Trent Park following a music event with repairs needed to gates and some grassed areas.

10.

OPEN SESSION

Toenablemembers of the ConservationAdvisoryGroup to bringup urgentmatters not covered elsewhere on theagenda

Minutes:

1.    23 Camlet Way – the application was agreed subject to an enhanced landscaping condition.  This has not yet been concluded satisfactorily.

 

2.    103 Chase Side – south of the Chase Side Medical Centre site – (variation to the original scheme). The developer had proceeded with the works pending Enfield’s approval; yet to be given.  The footprint of the South barn has been altered.

Both local groups had inspected the built condition (from the public space) and noted the work has been done to a high standard.  ETCASG expressed some concerns about the departure from the approved design but TES were content especially given the enforcement implications etc

CAG agreed unanimously to the variation in design of the South barn.

 

3.    Little Park Gardens – Hoardings are in place in an area that had been used for car parking previously. The planning team were asked to look at this

 

4.    The Hermitage – 2 Canon Hill – the building is being rethatched however, Southgate District Civic Trust have queried the specification of work going on here.

 

5.    The new Heritage Officer post will be working with Christine White, Heritage and Urban Design Manager.  This is an additional position. The person appointed will be able to provide assistance across the planning service.

 

6.    Mansion House – Trent Park.  The Trent Park group have asked if progress had been made by the developers to include amendments that had been discussed.  Andy Higham answered that this was still ‘a work in progress’ although it is understood a lot of issues including changes to windows have been ‘picked up’.  Bridget Pereira will report back on the proposals to a future meeting of CAG.

 

7.    At the last meeting Andy Robinson, Principal Arboricultural Officer gave a presentation on his work with trees in the Council. Bridget Pereira will send a copy of his report to Councillor Orhan who requested clarification regarding Tree Conservation Areas and the use of TPO’s (Tree Preservation Orders).

 

8.    Mushroom seating area outside Southgate Underground Station - urgent repairs had started however this had not been completed as further work was required.

 

11.

CALENDAR OF MEETINGS pdf icon PDF 6 KB

Attachment E.

Minutes:

NOTED that the next meeting would take place on Tuesday 12 November 2019.