Agenda and draft minutes

Conservation Advisory Group - Tuesday, 10th December, 2019 7.00 pm

Venue: Room 6, Civic Centre, Silver Street, Enfield, EN1 3XA. View directions

Contact: Andy Higham 

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Apologies for absence were received from Councillor Ergin Erbil, Anne Brown and Lindsay Rawlings and Peter Fisk (Forty Hill and Bulls Cross Study Group), Brian Foyle (Winchmore Hill and Vicars Moor Lane Conservation Area Study Group), Anne Bishop Laggett (Federation of Enfield Tenants and Residents Associations) and Christine White (Heritage and Urban Design Manager). 


Brian Foyle was unwell and unable to continue as the representative for Winchmore Hill and Vicars Moor Lane Conservation Area Study Group.  A replacement would be sought. 



Membersof the ConservationAdvisory Groupare invitedto identify any disclosablepecuniary,other pecuniaryor non-pecuniaryinterests relevantto itemson theagenda.


There were no declaration of interests. 


MINUTES pdf icon PDF 297 KB

To confirm the Minutes of the Conservation Advisory Group that took place on Tuesday 12 November 2019. 


The minutes of the meeting held on 12 November were agreed as a correct record with the following amendments: 


Item 6.6:  That the mobile phone mast was situated further along the grass than indicated, on the side of the car park, opposite the Salisbury Arms. 


Item 10:  Bullet point 1 – Oakwood Parade – it was an estate agent that had been turned into a restaurant, not a dairy. 


Item 10:  Bullet point 3 - Whitewebbs – members had requested that, when expressions of interest were received, the proposals for Whitewebbs should be bought before the Group,


Matters Arising: 


Open Session Maze Inn – Andy Higham reported that Enforcement Officers were serving notice and looking to prosecute the owners of the site.  He would confirm this in writing to J Doughaty.


Heritage Briefing

To receive a briefing on heritage matters.  – To be circulated separately. 


Christine White, Heritage Officer, had been unable to attend the meeting but had advised the following: 


·         The Heritage Lottery Fund were holding two engagement sessions on 13 January 2020 at the Millfield Theatre and 30 January 2020 at the Dugdale Centre.   CAG members will be sent a reminder.


·         The deadline for project idea expressions of interest was the 15 February 2019.




1.            For the 14 January 2020 meeting, CAG members were asked to bring back ideas and expressions of interest, from their groups, for projects in their area.

2.            Southgate House and Grovelands House were still on the at-risk register. 


Planning Applications and Listed Building Applications for Discussion pdf icon PDF 8 MB

To receive a report on planning and listed building applications for discussion.  (Attached B)


1.            91 Cecil Road, Enfield EN2 6TL (REF: 19/03596)


This was an application for a 2-storey side extension constructed of reclaimed London stock brick, one of a pair of late 19th century semi-detached houses, within the boundaries of the Enfield Town Conservation Area.  


Following discussion CAG agreed to object to the proposal for the following reasons: 


·         It was out of keeping and did not enhance the conservation area, spoiling the symmetry of the pair of houses and the general street scape.

·         It obstructed the view, between the houses to the trees beyond, which was an important feature of the conservation area character appraisal. 




2.            66 Church Street, Edmonton, N9 9PA (REF: 19/03522/FUL)


This was an application for the construction of 8 dwellings with associated landscaping, amenity space, bin storage and cycle parking located within the Church Street Edmonton and Fore Street Conservation Area.  An earlier version of the application had been considered by CAG. 


CAG had supported the proposals previously but would like to see further information including:


·         A birds-eye visualisation of the whole site in colour

·         Perspective shots

·         Details of the access for delivery vehicles, communal refuse facilities and cycle storage

·         More greenery on the houses fronting the street

·         The retention of the original brick wall along the boundary of the site. 


Supported subject to additional information being provided. 


3.            Vacant Land, Wilford Close, Enfield, EN2 6AJ (REF: 19/03493/FUL)


This was an application for redevelopment of an empty site and the erection of a two-storey block of 5 self-contained flats with cycle parking, refuse storage and landscaping in the Enfield Town Conservation Area, beside the Enfield Grammar School entrance. 


The private pedestrian access to Church Street would remain. 


CAG expressed support in principle for the proposals and liked the way the building fitted into the curve of the site, but were concerned about the lack of adequate drawings setting the site in the context, the overall design, the roof materials, the detailing, the quality of the building materials and the ability to deliver the curved windows.


CAG asked for more detail to be provided as above.  


Supported subject to additional information. 


4.            Former Middlesex University Trent Park Campus, Trent County Park, Snakes Lane, Enfield (REF:  19/02560/VAR)


This was an application with updated drawings indicating minor alterations to the internal layouts and elevations, removal of redundant cables/electrical boxes/vents/etc, and minor updates to the visualisations in relation to the roof space. 


These proposals had been considered at the September CAG meeting and a working group set up to look at the proposals in more detail. 


CAG had approved the changes but still had concerns about the loss of the historic fabric of the building and requested further information about the removal of roof timbers with a thoroughly documented, colour coded plan. 


Supported subject to the above. 


5.            18 Barber Close, London, N21 1BE, (REF: 19/03/03189/FUL)


This application involves a proposal to subdivide the site and convert the property into two 3 bed single family dwellings involving a two-storey side  ...  view the full minutes text for item 5.



Toreceivefor informationfeedbackfrom theCAG Chairfrom PlanningCommittee meetings.


The following applications which had been to CAG had now been considered by the Planning Committee with the following outcomes: 


Capel Manor College New Visitor Centre – Planning Committee had asked for more detail, before making a decision. 


Hobart House – CAG had objected to the addition of an extra floor.  Planning Committee had approved the application. 



To receive an update from the conservation officer on cases discussed at previous CAG meetings.  (Attachment C)


NOTED the information provided on the following applications:


Bridge House, 1 Forty Hill, Enfield, EN2 9HT (REF: 19/02647/CND)


CAG were pleased with what had been achieved to make this building more acceptable. 


Stables, Brayside Farm, Clay Hill, Enfield (REF: 19?02125/CND)


Former Middlesex University Trent Park Campus, Trent Country Park, Snakes Lane, Enfield, EN4 0PS (REF: 19/02560/VAR)


Former Middlesex University Trent Park Campus, Trent Country Park, Snakes Lane, Enfield, EN4 0PS (REF: 19/02095/VAR)


Conservation Areas, Listed Building Applications and Appeals Determined pdf icon PDF 292 KB

To receive a list of conservation areas, listed building applications and appeals determined.  (Attached D)


CAG received the list of Conservation areas and listed building applications determined from 4 November 2019 to 2 December 2019. 




1.            On the Cockfosters Underground application, a screening opinion on an Environmental Impact Assessment had not been required

2.            Concern about the number of trees that had been taken down within the last month. 

3.            The felling of a Plane tree on the Grangeway would be a matter for Highways.  Andy Robinson should be able to provide some more information if required. 



Toenablemembers of the ConservationAdvisoryGroup to bringup urgentmatters not covered elsewhere on theagenda


Old Metaswitch Building – Concern was expressed about the trees surrounding this building.  There was a significant cedar tree that members would like to see protected. 


Dominion House – No applications had yet been received.  CAG would expect to be involved when received. 


217 Bramley Road - No update had been received. 


Trees in the grounds at Kingswood House – legal officers were considering a prosecution. 


Pavement Bollards in Conservation Areas – Concern was expressed that these seemed to be springing up throughout the borough.  Christine White, Heritage Officer, would be asked to comment. 


Forty Hall Farm Toilets – Trenches had been dug without permission.  Work had not stopped. 


Bridge over Salmon’s Brook at the Chine – Members were pleased with the work done. 


Traffic Calming on the Lakes Estate – These proposals were part of the Council’s Liveable Neighbourhood bid.  David Taylor would be asked to comment. 


Hadley Wood Trees along the Railway Embankment – the situation had improved.  Network Rail were holding consultation events and doing more pollarding instead of cutting down trees.  



To note the date agreed for the next meeting: 


·         Tuesday 14 January 2019


Calendar of meeting dates (Attached E). 


NOTED the date of the next meeting:


·         Tuesday 14 January 2019