The Chair invited Councillor
Neville to present the Reasons for Call-In. Councillor Neville began his submission by
referring to the need for Members to act impartially, as this
meeting should proceed without the ‘party whip’.
Councillor Levy confirmed that all matters at Overview and Scrutiny
are considered in this manner.
Councillor Neville stated that
the Call-in was about the consultation undertaken in respect of the
Cycle Enfield proposals for the A105, including consideration of
the consultation findings and the adequacy of this.
He summarised the reasons for
Call- In as follows:
- The
leading law case which gives the criteria for a fair local
authority consultation refers to two legal principles that are
relevant here i.e. that ‘adequate time must be given for
consideration and response’ and ‘the product of
consultation must be conscientiously taken into
account’ He did not think
adequate time had been given for consideration as the consultation
ended on 29 July 2016 with 1600 objections received, and the
decision by the Cabinet Member to approve the scheme was signed by
him on 17 August 2016.
- An
objection had originally been given by Arriva Bus Company to the
proposals, in particular the withdrawal of the bus lane going south
from the Triangle, Palmers Green towards the North Circular Road
and the impact/ delays of this on bus journeys. Although the report refers to there being
extensive discussion with TfL re a commitment to identify measures
elsewhere on the route (mainly in Haringey) to mitigate this
impact, we do not know what has been agreed with them. He understands that even following recent meetings
with officers, the Commercial Planning Manager of Arriva London
(Bob Pennyfather) still has concerns
about this scheme.
- Reference was made to the Local
Authorities Traffic Orders (Procedure) England and Wales
Regulations 1996, that if an objection is made by a bus company to
something that would restrict the movement of buses along the
route, then the local authority is required to hold a Public Local
Inquiry. The objection from the bus
company is not included in the schedule of objections received and
the report does not state that the objections from Arriva have been
withdrawn. As such a Local Inquiry is still required. Under the same regulations there is a requirement
to hold a public enquiry if an order is made prohibiting the
loading or unloading of vehicles.
- The air quality report acknowledged
that there was likely to be some increase in NO²
concentrations at junctions where there were some increases in
queue length and delay time although with potential improvements if
there was a modal shift from private car to cycling. However the
report acknowledges that the shift from cars to cycles is not
guaranteed and it is possible that the resulting air quality
improvements may not be achieved.
- The
London Ambulance Service (LAS) has set out serious reservations
they have about the proposals. It appears that all three emergency
services would be affected detrimentally by the scheme.
- The
numerous objections received cannot possibly have been considered
in the time taken before the report was signed off by the Cabinet
Member. Between the 29 July 2016 to the
17 August 2016 there were only 13 working days to look at all
issues raised.
- The
original objections put forward by Councillor Neville and Arriva
(Bus company) to the proposals were not
listed in the schedule.
- This is a very costly scheme and in
all his years in the Council, Councillor Neville said he had never
seen a scheme which had attracted so many objections.
The Chair invited Councillor
Anderson to respond, which is summarised as follows:
- The
decision had not been ‘rushed’, consideration of all
issues had been undertaken over an 18 month period.
- Of the
1600 objections received, 1000 of these were similar objections in
principle which were classified under the following
‘groupings’ -
- Objections about the principle of
the proposals
- Objections about a common feature of
the proposals
- Objections about a specific
location
- Objections based on a technical or
procedural matter
- Consideration of objections had been dealt with as they were
being received. Councillor Anderson had held daily conversations
with officers to discuss issues as they were raised. All representations and objections have been
considered in detail.
- Arriva
London have stated that they have withdrawn their formal objection
to the scheme, their initial comments and officers responses are
set out in paragraphs 5.17 to 5.21 of the report. A public inquiry
is not required.
- There
appears to be an assumption that vehicles cannot legally access the
loading facilities but this is incorrect and the ‘response to
reason for call-in’ para 3.15 to 3.21 sets out the proposed
loading arrangements.
- The
London Ambulance Service had not objected to the proposals. He
referred to para 5.16 of the report regarding the use of traffic
separators to segregate cyclists from other traffic to help
minimise the impact on emergency service response times, allowing
broken down vehicles etc to pull into
the cycle lane if necessary. The Police
Service have said that the scheme would
improve the safety for cyclists. The
Fire Brigade have no objections and he noted that their vehicles
are larger than ambulances.
Councillor Levy pointed out
that the decision to hold a public inquiry is not within the remit
of this Committee. In addition,
Councillor Levy advised the meeting that as there was an appeal
pending in the High Court, caution
should be observed in relation to comments and
questions.
The Chair then invited the
Committee to put forward any questions/ comments which were as
follows:
- Councillor Smith said it would appear that Councillor Neville is
requesting that this matter be referred back to the Cabinet Member
for Environment, for him to reconsider whether this should be the
subject of a public inquiry as a result of changes to
‘waiting and loading’ restrictions and the restriction
for public service vehicles. He asked if any pressure had been put
on Arriva London to withdraw the original objection they had to the
scheme? David Taylor answered that a meeting had
been held with Bob Pennyfather, the
Commercial Planning Manager of Arriva London to examine their
concerns. They discussed mitigation measures. Following on from
this, Arriva then withdrew their formal objection to the
scheme.
- Councillor Smith referred to the waiting and loading
restrictions, which are to be introduced on an experimental basis
by the use of a temporary order. He said at some point when they
become permanent how will you avoid having a public
inquiry? David Taylor stated the
waiting and loading restrictions would be introduced on an
experimental basis to enable them to be modified in the light of
feedback and operational experience. As
this is an experimental order there would be no requirement to hold
a public inquiry.
- It was
questioned whether the time taken to consider objections could be
considered as adequate. Councillor Neville said the statutory
consultation period ended on the 29 July and the first report by
officers was completed on 11 August and the draft given to
Councillor Anderson. Councillor Neville
did not think there could have been sufficient time for adequate
consideration of objections. Councillor
Anderson said officers had worked hard for 3 weeks on considering
issues raised, the categorisation of objections made it possible to
consider all representations and objections in a very efficient
manner.
- With
reference to there no longer being any formal objections from
public services, Councillor Neville said the main issue was how
well or not objections had been considered. He said his objections
and those from Arriva London had not been included in the
schedule.
- Councillor Delman asked if
information was available of when objections were received during
the consultation process i.e. were the majority received during the
last part of the consultation? It was answered that the majority
were received via the on-line system and are date
stamped. A steady flow of
representations had been received which officers were able to
review as they ‘went along’ there was a fairly even
spread of comments received.
- It was
asked why Councillor Neville and Arriva London’s objections
had not been included on the schedule, it was answered that the
substantive issues raised were included in the main
report.
- Councillor Anderson and officers were asked if they were
satisfied that the withdrawal of Arriva London’s formal
objection meant that a public inquiry would not be
needed. David Taylor confirmed that to
be the case.
- Reference was made to objections about the principles of the
proposals as listed in Table 1 in Appendix B of the report –
Councillor Anderson commented that this was an efficient way of
looking at generic objections.
- Councillor Neville thought a public inquiry should be held
– he said at the time the report on the scheme was presented
to Councillor Anderson, the objection from Arriva London
‘still stood’. It was only
later that this objection was withdrawn. He reiterated his comments
regarding the timetable of communications between officers and
Arriva London and stated that he thought there appeared to be an
element of ‘chicanery’ about this business. This comment drew applause from the audience at
which point Councillor Smith also showed his approval and
applauded. The Chair reminded
Councillor Smith to be mindful of his earlier comments regarding
declarations of prejudicial interests, reiterating those also
requested by Councillor Neville about the need for committee
members to act impartially. Councillor
Smith said he agreed with this, but had been persuaded by the
points made by Councillor Neville.
The Chair then invited three
questions to be put from members of the audience, which were as
follows:
- Has
Councillor Neville spoken to Arriva London? Councillor Neville confirmed that he had
spoken to them and understands that they still have
concerns
- I know
that two long reports received from David Burrowes and others would have been received by the
department in the last 2 days of the consultation, could they have
been adequately considered in the time given? It was confirmed that
these reports were detailed and they had received careful
consideration. Conversations had been held and there had been
direct responses given.
- The
email I sent raised two safety issues that were not included in the
report and I have not had an answer?
Richard Eason confirmed that he had received the objections
mentioned and the issues raised have been covered in the
report. It was stated that a written
response would be sent to Mr Mandel.
(Post meeting note - An email was sent to Mr Mandel on
15.9.16, from Paul Rogers giving details of where the objections he
had raised were covered in the portfolio report).
The Chair asked Councillor
Anderson to summarise his position which was as follows:
- The
essence of the objections raised appears to be about whether
sufficient time had been spent in examining consultation replies
and the objections put forward. This is a matter of opinion, and I
have explained the process which enabled us to examine all issues
raised.
- The
time taken to look at these issues was in fact three weeks and not
the 11 days previously mentioned.
- The
objection originally raised by Arriva London has been addressed
– they no longer have a formal objection.
- The
issue around ‘waiting and loading’ is addressed in the
report.
- There
have been no formal objections from the London Ambulance Service or
from the Fire Brigade.
Councillor Neville summarised
his position as follows:
- Councillor Anderson had spoken of whether adequate consideration
had been given to objections raised as a matter of opinion –
Councillor Neville did not agree that this was a matter of
opinion.
- He
said both his objections and those raised by David Burrowes had not been included in the schedule. He
questioned whether there were other objections that had not been
included. He therefore did not think all objections had been
considered. Arriva London had not been
included on the schedule as having objections.
- There
is an explicit requirement for a public enquiry regarding waiting
and loading restriction changes and also in respect of objections
from public service vehicles.
The Committee then voted on the
decision
Councillors
Abdullahi, Chibah andKeazor voted
in favour of confirming the decision.
Councillors Smith and
Delman voted in favour of referral back
to the Cabinet member for reconsideration.
The Chair therefore
CONFIRMED the decision.